Dialogues of 2004

Introduction

The year 2004 was a year of some interaction of dialogues all over the internet. Below are some of those postings. Most responses by this author was pointing out books and literatures that would answer the questions in more deeper insights.

May God bless those who read this Question and Answer Posting. For God’s Glory Alone.

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Case #1 A Reply to a Canadian Atheist

god doesnt exist, wake up, go backto iraq, throw your gun on the floor and yell that everyone should join christianism, now stop being brain washed like all marines are and go study science, youll get answers, stop reading that big book that was re written 1000 times falsified and before all, invented to rule over all weak minds..untill i see a pic of you in iraq side to side with one of a presidents children, ill repeat the same thing to every marine i see..oh and if electronics are not enough to open your eyes, then try some serious martial arts..not some american business crap..how can you believe in god and still do war? as if god put some frontiers on earth for humans to fight for...anyways i know im not about to change some brain washed marine with 2 or 3 sentences..you know what was my most happy time this month? it was 3 weeks ago downtown montreal..a group of drunken marines walking on a busy street, 3 am..then some homeless guy started to yell at them..."fuk americans and the war, etc..." then the big dumb marine broke a beer bottle on the floor, and jumped on the little guy, aiming for his neck with the bottle, but got his arm instead, then all the bouncers from the street beat the sh*t out of them and let them lie there in all their pride...see..even with all that sh*t training, marines are still weak with a bit of alcohol lol,....and that made my day..all of a sudden, no more yelling in the street...big dumb gorillas thinking they're kings of everywhere they go i dont want to be mean or anything with you..but i just cant stand them anymore Pulpitpastor: Wow what a message, it was kind of long but i read it all. Hey, I know how u feel about stupid marines who think they are invincible...frankly, I don't think its cool to attack some homeless guy with a bottle...i think thats really low and stupid. I can see how you describe marines walking every where like they own the place...while i've never been with a group of marines overseas in Japan or elsewhere and beaten up homeless, i do know that at times there are some real stupid marines who lack cultural sensitiviy and think they own the whole place. As for me, I walk the way I walk, no phony tough show needed. And Marines are not invincible. Marines are human. Marines die, get wounded and all that other stuff that is defined as weak. I'm not your typical gorilla marine either...i've always been the smallest every where i went...and ur way way bigger than i ever will be. U could flat out kick my butt, and i'll be the first to admit it. I didn't understand what u meant when u said, "until i see a pic of you in iraq side to side with one of a presidents children, ill repeat the same thing to every marine i see...oh and if electronics are not enough to open your eyes, then try some serious martial arts..." if u want to, please clarify that to me. You made some reference to me to drop my gun and yell at everybody to join Christendom...tahts definitely an interesting image...I don't think that captures who i am. But i'll be charitable and see that as an analogy to my Christian faith in GOd. You attack my faith in Christianity. That gets a bit more interesting. U said I should go get science and stated that i should stop being brainwashed...i see that you believe and feel emotionally strong about something. NOthing wrong in having convictions about something. The issue, however is if those convictions are true or matches up to reality. I want to challenge points: God does not exist? You stated that God does not exist, yet no proposition or conclusion just pops out of a vaccuum...what led you to that view? You said, "go study science, you'll get answers"...may i ask, is science the only methodolgy towards finding truth? In other words, is the only way we can arrive at what is true only through emprical studies through our five senses of see, touch, taste, smell and hear? HOw can I go to war as a Christian? Fair question, I've wondered it myself before too. First off the bat, I believe that some war can be just. Its call the Just War Theory, my website article can articulate this a wee bit more. Ask the Jews in World War 2 if it was just that Canada and American troops were involved...having said that i also want to make it clear that since man is by nature sinful, war has a lot of evil. Most war are fought for the wrong reason. I am not even going to lie to u about its cruel reality. I woke up this morning with my mind on a boy name Sajat in Iraq whom i befriend and i wonder about where he is at now. it gave me the goose bump. I have not even thought about him for months. And I'm not ashamed to say that I did pray for his safety and well being. But back to our subject, i believe that chrisitans can serve in the military. Okay. U brought up the charge that i was brainwashed. I don't want to engage in name calling in this note, but i hope we all beat our sterotypical prejudices, even that of the image of baboon blood thirsty, arrogant marines. SAVED BY Grace, jimmy li sorry i had no right to tell you that...everyone his own beliefs i guess...i read your letter the same day that you sent it, but i wanted to write a long letter to reply..but im not here to prove my point..youre a good guy, take care

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Case #2 Do Standards of Perfection Not Exist?

X: alrite then ill use a differnt approch X: Do you beleive god is perfect? ME: Yes I believe God is perfect, sometimes beyond man's own understanding X2: ok brb will you both be here in five minutes? X: possibly yes X: anyway X: alrite now then you beleive god is perfect... fair enough. Now then we define perfection as something incapible of having flaws or abnormalitys or whatnot yes? ME: interestingly enough, I want to ask you, u ask about perfect, what's ur standard? ME: what do you mean by abnormalities? X: (I am showing you right now) ME: define that X: just flaws in gernal ME: alright X: like a peice of cracked glass that isnt cracked ME: "in general"...? X: but anyway X: we ourselfs as mortal beings are imperfect ME: you seem to have a standard of perfection... X: this goes without saying ME: what is this standard of perfection of yours based on? X: yet we have come up with the concept of something which is perfect somehow? Being imperfect beings we could only make an attempt at defineing perfection through our own means, seid means being imperfect. X: Therefore perfection is subjective and subject to the obseverer. Therefore perfection is a flawed construst humans have created there is no such thing my friend. X: do you follow? ME: okay, now i see that there is nothing as "perfection" according to you ME: but the concept... ME: how is it that though man is flawed, ME: and imperfect ME: somehow, our minds derived this concept? ME: unless there is a real standard of perfection out there X: hmm I see its there but your still useing labels hmm. ME: if by perfect you mean, "not having flaws in general" ME: you have a standard of measuring perfection ME: that is not flawless X: Approching the universe and god with the approch that they must be perfect is an invalid approch to things. Because we created an invaild defeinition to begin with so to speak. ME: which i ask you to define perfection, now youre saying you gave an invalid definition to begin with? X: No I am saying the concept of perfection is invalid X: we cannont comprehend it by the very definition we have given perfection ME: you said that nothing is perfect X: a flawed being cannont comprehend something without flaw ME: u had a standard, a measurement of it to say so.... X: therefore the entire concept of perfection is flawed and therefor invalid X: does my reasoning make sense at some level? ME: oh..the concept of perfection is flawed according to you right? X: correct ME: the concept of having no flaw (aka perfection) is according to you, flawed X: *nods waits* ME: interestingly enough, everytime one tries to destroy what is perfect, he or she affirms it... ME: because you are still having a standard of what is perfect... ME: to say that this is not up to par to the standard that is perfect X: but perfection is based upon the principle it is a universal concept when in fact it is the fartest thing from it X: again the glass shatters ME: your own glass shatters ME: to deny perfection is to affirm it ME: "everything is flawed!" one screams, but to do so, you have a standard of what is perfect! ME: and what perfect should be! X: *smcks face* X2: not everything is flawed, but the way everything is seen is flawed X: in defineing everything as flawed we also define it as perfect X: the opposites cancel out ME: okay so now you are switching the definition earlier of perfect... ME: take note of that okay? ME: now u say perfect=flaw X: perfection had a mutable definition to begin with.... ME: what are you talking about as "mutable"? X: something which has the property of changability ME: changeable to its opposite definition? ME: r u sure? X: yes i am quite sure X: perfection being subjective would make it have a mutable property X: unless my logic doesnt make sense for some reason am I mistaken? ME: Omega, as nice as a guy as you are... ME: i have to say that you have just switch the definiton of perfect to being flawed, when earlier it was not ME: when earlier the definition of perfect earlier was not having flaws X: I hoped you would see that just a generalist X: was hopeing you would just as soon apply it to a universal concept X: you can invalidate a definition useing the same logic im useing here however. ME: what LOGIC ARE YOU USING in which you could switch the definition of something in a middle of a discussion to one that was not its originial meaning earlier? ME: its called "double speak" in the book, 1984 ME: but I hope by God's grace, He would show you this ME: and that you might consider Jesus as Lord and savior:-) ME: i'll be charitable... X: two lairs at the crossroads *laughs* X: are you going to be on later you two I have an important matter thats come to my attention which I must attend to? X2: i will i dont know about you? ME: i don't know we'll see ME: it was nice talking to you, X X: likewise ME: God bless X: adu for now. ME: Jesus Saves

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Case #3 Two on One With Atheists

For this dialogue here, they were short comments spread over several days with two atheists. I messaged them after they got about to harass and blaspheme several Christian website. Blue = Me Red = Atheist One Green = Atheist Two Wow, so u smell Christianity as bad? Hm, interesting comment u left at HisServant's site... http://teampages.tripod.com/articles/art_materialism.htm ya there's no such thing as god i accidently lit my bible on fire, do you have a spare i could borrow so i can accidently light that one on fire too? ya there's no such thing as god" just curious, in your view, how did the world come about then? thanks! i thought the world came about by the big bang theory. http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html the leading theory anyway “Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions. " From the link mentioned by ffirg ... ya how many unanswered questions are there for the "big invisible dude saying abra cadabra let there be earth and planets and universe all at the same instant" theory? I think there would be a lot more, i mean I don't know because I gave my bible to my dog to play with before i had a chance to read it and it's now in what we call a pile a shit in the back yard. I quoted from ffirg source itself that Big Bang "probably will never be proved". That source was from NASA. ya and how will a person all of the sudden create everything? a person cannot do things like that. can you spontaneously make people from nothing? if that person could actually do this, then there would be people with those "magical powers" today. the existence of a god will never be proven either. whenever a christian is asked to prove the existance of god their answer is always, "that you have to have faith and have to believe that there is a god" I think that answer came about from lack of facts. believing everything in the bible is like believing everything in the lord of the rings books, dragons and trolls and shit. doesn't happen, didn't happen, won't happen. ffirg said it himself..."can you spontaneously make people from nothing? " Retsmot, you show your ignorance about the Bible already when you said you "don't know because I gave my bible to my dog to play with before i had a chance to read it ". Speaking in ignorance does not help

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Case #4 Satanism & Abrahamic Religion

CASE#4: Delusional Teen Rejection of Christ pulpitpastor: if u have questions, dont be afraid to im me, cool?:-) dTx specialisT10: like what? dTx specialisT10: what questions? pulpitpastor: about God, the Bible pulpitpastor: or if u want me to pray for u, whatever dTx specialisT10: it's okie dTx specialisT10: i am just losing faith and buddha seems more worthy dTx specialisT10: at least he respects other religions unlike christianity dTx specialisT10: and christanity is just fucked up in soem ways pulpitpastor: oh, hm...losing faith? pulpitpastor: with what issues? dTx specialisT10: yea i am starting to believe there's god dTx specialisT10: no god* dTx specialisT10: so it's okay pulpitpastor: hm pulpitpastor: interesting:-) dTx specialisT10: o pulpitpastor: is your faith wavering because of pain or "reason"... pulpitpastor: people sometimes have issues with more of relationship pain sometimes... pulpitpastor: than real concrete objections... pulpitpastor: u know what i mean? dTx specialisT10: first and foremost dTx specialisT10: there's a city of colorado city dTx specialisT10: who believes in the same god dTx specialisT10: they're mormons dTx specialisT10: and what's so funny dTx specialisT10: is that they stand in a crop field for 7 days pulpitpastor: Colorado? or Salt Lake City? dTx specialisT10: waiting for God to take em high in the aiir pulpitpastor: the Mormons are from UTah dTx specialisT10: it's so funny dTx specialisT10: yeah dTx specialisT10: but there's colorado city, airzona dTx specialisT10: get informed -____- dTx specialisT10: besides i don't like talking to strangers =)! pulpitpastor: are u talking about the LDS branch of Mormons or some other group? dTx specialisT10: lds pulpitpastor: there's the Fundamental Latter Day Saints...and RLDS...and geez... pulpitpastor: more cool dTx specialisT10: haha pulpitpastor: coo.l...LDS pulpitpastor: alright dTx specialisT10: anyhooo whatever about God dTx specialisT10: i rather believe in a human who teaches self happiness than something that just doesn't co-exist in the world pulpitpastor: How does God not exist? dTx specialisT10: God doesn't help people aite? pulpitpastor: u just want to be deluded with self happiness of a man? dTx specialisT10: yeah pulpitpastor: oh... pulpitpastor: hm... dTx specialisT10: You can't see him pulpitpastor: God doesn't help peole... dTx specialisT10: You can't hear him dTx specialisT10: this issue is just controversial and the facts are laid against you in the near future pulpitpastor: so God doesn't exist becuase u can't see him ... pulpitpastor: hm... pulpitpastor: is that so? pulpitpastor: because u can't see him? dTx specialisT10: look the only reason i was christian dTx specialisT10: was because i was insecure about my future pulpitpastor: hm pulpitpastor: are u secure now without Christ? dTx specialisT10: yet you know life is simple .. you enter the world , grow up, marry, fuck, get kids, die dTx specialisT10: there you go... summary dTx specialisT10: yeah dTx specialisT10: life was better anyways without Go dTx specialisT10: in fact, my first crush was w.o god dTx specialisT10: and i prayed to Buddha about friends even believing God dTx specialisT10: much of it came true dTx specialisT10: when God came dTx specialisT10: i cough at that dTx specialisT10: so yeah pulpitpastor: hm... dTx specialisT10: does he exist? maybe not? maybe so? but i highly resent him pulpitpastor: u don't believe in God because u don't see him right? dTx specialisT10: NO dTx specialisT10: because he doesn't help me pulpitpastor: u said above, that u don't see him pulpitpastor: I don't see u dTx specialisT10: so? pulpitpastor: but i know u exist dTx specialisT10: and i don't see you pulpitpastor: i don't see logic dTx specialisT10: because i am julie's friend pulpitpastor: but logic exist dTx specialisT10: that she MET dTx specialisT10: in reality dTx specialisT10: but logic doesn't correspond with God pulpitpastor: because u can't see does not mean it does not exist dTx specialisT10: uhh dTx specialisT10: right pulpitpastor: why not? both u can't see dTx specialisT10: i am gonna be buddhist dTx specialisT10: :-) pulpitpastor: :-) pulpitpastor: i have a question: dTx specialisT10: yeah? pulpitpastor: how may i pray for u? dTx specialisT10: iono pulpitpastor: sounds like a lot of pain dTx specialisT10: my problem go away? dTx specialisT10: that he knows if he is there? pulpitpastor: hm... dTx specialisT10: yeah.... then maybe i'll believe in him dTx specialisT10: cus then i am not happy dTx specialisT10: i am depressed pulpitpastor: i'll prayfor u dTx specialisT10: and u know what pulpitpastor: what? dTx specialisT10: what grade are you? dTx specialisT10: haha pulpitpastor: i'm 20... pulpitpastor: graduated pulpitpastor: :-D pulpitpastor: a pic of me at http://teampages.tripod.com dTx specialisT10: really dTx specialisT10: i thought you were a little kid pulpitpastor: :-) dTx specialisT10: ohhhh dTx specialisT10: still, i don't believe so God is real dTx specialisT10: what is your occcupation? dTx specialisT10: jw pulpitpastor: oh pulpitpastor: i'm a marine pulpitpastor: field radio operatoer pulpitpastor: reserves pulpitpastor: student at college dTx specialisT10: oic ic dTx specialisT10: cool pulpitpastor: u saw my pic? pulpitpastor: at the site dTx specialisT10: no dTx specialisT10: not really dTx specialisT10: i don't even know which one is yuo dTx specialisT10: lol pulpitpastor: hahaha pulpitpastor: the asian guy in the middle pulpitpastor: that's cool pulpitpastor: yeah, http://teampages.tripod.com is my christian webpage dTx specialisT10: you don't look like julie pulpitpastor: defending what i believe dTx specialisT10: oh pulpitpastor: oh dTx specialisT10: well, everybody needs to feel secure dTx specialisT10: i mean does comfort you knowing he exists? pulpitpastor: i say yes, because God exist is true, it is comforting pulpitpastor: hey, u want to talk some more some other time? dTx specialisT10: yea sure dTx specialisT10: i am busy myself right now pulpitpastor: u could I.m me prayers and all... pulpitpastor: yeah, i'm gonna eat dinner dTx specialisT10: o_O dTx specialisT10: uh huh pulpitpastor: but God bless u alright? dTx specialisT10: kk pulpitpastor: I'll honestly pray for u pulpitpastor: ur cool